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Publications about the Legia vs Celtic case for international media
Publications about the Legia vs Celtic case for international media
13.08.2014 10.00, autor: Legia Warszawa, źródło: własne, komentarze: 68
Due to the decision made by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body which declared the second game between Legia and Celtic forfeit Legia Warsaw has been thrown out of the Champions League play-off stage.

International media on Legia Warsaw


September


World Soccer: UEFA doesn't have a Legia to stand on after Polish blunder

The crimes must also be met with fair punishment - and too often they are not.
A clear example of crass injustice was the expulsion of Legia Warsaw from the Champions League after they had crashed Celtic 6-1 in a third-round qualifying tie.
The decision by UEFA's intransigent disciplinary committee offended against natural justice; a deeply unfair and excessive sanction that should have been withdrawn and the relevant section of the UEFA rulebook redrafted. (...)
UEFA should understand it didn't have to be that way. The could allow themselves some leeway on sanctions so that a minor case like Legia's receives an appropriate punishment and matches are settled where they ought to be - on the field.

 

The Herald: Berg furious as Legia vow to appeal Celtic decision

Henning Berg has accused UEFA of destroying everything they claim to stand for by reinstating Celtic in the Champions League qualifying stage and believes his directors at Legia Warsaw will take their appeal against the decision to the highest level possible. (...)

Berg certainly cannot believe his team have been ejected from the tournament and denied a multi-million pound payday because of what he regards as little more than a simple, clerical error. "UEFA are very quick to fly the Fair Play flag, but, now they are doing the opposite," stated the former Rangers defender. (...)

"The mistake our administration made is that he was not listed among the 25 names for the game against St. Patrick's. This little technical mistake with him not being on this paper without even playing has taken away our chance of getting into the Champions League, which would have been a dream for this club and these players who have worked so hard."

 

The Independent: Celtic face appeal as Legia hit out at Uefa's unfair ban

Legia official Dominik Ebebenge said the club would appeal, and blamed human error for failing to register the player in question for previous qualifying games, meaning those matches did not count toward his three-game suspension.

"The proportion between the error and the consequences is unimaginable," Ebebenge said after receiving Uefa's verdict one hour before yesterday's draw for the Champions League play-offs. "The spirits of the players are broken."

 

The Journal: Celtic-Legia debacle highlights UEFA's ridiculous double standards

A serious discrepancy in UEFA's rule-making has now also been exposed. In a similar instance in 2010, Debrecen retained their place in the Europa League after fielding an ineligible player player late on in a tie.

On that occasion, the organisation said that the change had no impact on the tie and that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was co clearly in its favour."

While the two incidents are very similar, they are not entirely identical. (...) Yet the fact that the organisation have scope to apply common sense in one scenario and not in another lends a whole extra dimension of farce to proceedings.

Such standards should surely be applied at all times or never, yet for UEFA to pick and choose when they apply these strict measures constitutes a level of ineptitude worthy of Legia's initial catastrophic oversight.

Ultimately therefore, this is a sad and embarrassing incident for football (...).

 

The Times: Champions League reprieve for Celtic proves there is no substitute for good luck

If you cannot be good, be lucky. Celtic took the advice to heart when they were controversially reinstated to the Champions League and drawn to play against Maribor, of Slovenia, in the play-off round.

 

August 19th
 

Talk Sport: Celtic will play on in Champions League as Legia Warsaw fail with latest appeal

Legia Warsaw were kicked out of the competition, despite their 6-1 aggregate victory over Celtic in the third qualifying round, for fielding an ineligible player in the tie.

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Allsports.com.gh: Denied Justice. Legia Warsaw coach Henning Berg fires one more shot at UEFA

"This is as expected. When UEFA refused a quick handling of the case as it stood, we saw that it was most likely that we would not be successful," Berg told Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet.

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My Joy Online: Legia Warsaw's appeal to CAS to be reinstated to the Champions League is rejected

Legia Warsaw have had their appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to be reinstated to the Champions League qualifiers rejected.

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Daily News: Celtic safe after Legia Warsaw’s Champions League appeal is rejected

Legia Warsaw have had their move to be reinstated in the qualifying rounds of the Champions League at the expense of Celtic rejected.The Polish champions had taken their case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport just after becoming expelled from the competition...

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Express: Celtic’s Euro joy as Court of Arbitration reject Legia Warsaw's appeal

CELTIC will compete in the Champions League play-offs after the Court of Arbitration for Sport rejected Legia Warsaw's bid to be provisionally reinstated - but the Polish club have vowed to fight on.

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August 18th
 

Daily Record: Celtic confirmed back in Champions League as Legia Warsaw lose final appeal in Court of Arbitration

CELTIC'S place in the Champions League has been confirmed as Legia Warsaw lost their final appeal this afternoon.

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Sports Illustrated: Legia Warsaw's appeal to CAS rejected, Celtic moves on

Legia Warsaw's appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport against expulsion from the Champions League has been rejected, and Celtic will keep its place in the league’s playoff round, the court announced Monday.

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August 17th


New Straits Time: Legia Warsaw Champions League appeal set for tomorrow

Legia Warsaw will find out tomorrow if they will be reinstated into the Champions League at Celtic’s expense when the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) rules on the case.

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August 16th


The Extra: Legia launch last-gasp appeal

Legia Warsaw have mounted a last-gasp bid to overturn their elimination from the Champions League and reclaim the play-off place that was handed to Celtic.

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BBC: Legia Warsaw dismayed by Uefa stance over Cas fast-track bid

Legia Warsaw are "disappointed" Uefa did not support an expedited Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) ruling over their Champions League punishment.

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August 15th


BBC: Legia Warsaw Champions League Appeal Submitted to Cas

Legia Warsaw have submitted their appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) after losing their Champions League place to Celtic.

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Daily Mail: Celtic sweat on Champions League fate after Court of Arbitration for Sport agree to hear Legia Warsaw's case

Celtic face an anxious wait to discover if their Champions League play-off clash with Maribor will go ahead next week after it emerged the Court for Arbitration for Sport will now hear Legia Warsaw’s case on Monday.

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Eurosport: Legia Warsaw go to CAS over Champions League forfeit

Polish champions Legia Warsaw have appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) against the forfeit which led to them being eliminated from the Champions League despite beating Celtic 6-1 on aggregate.

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RTE Sport: Legia still seeking fast resolution in Celtic saga

More confusion surrounds Legia Warsaw's bid to win their Champions League place back from Celtic after their chairman claimed UEFA had denied them the chance of a swift hearing at the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

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Backpage Football: Celtic row leaves a bad taste, but there may still be a sweetener for Legia

“It’s a grand old team to play for,” begins the famous theme song which has been heard at Celtic Park for more than 50 years; after the events of the past 10 days, few could argue otherwise. Where else could players lose home and away, going down 6-1 on aggregate, and still pick up a win bonus? It’s a grand old team bedad.

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Sky Sports: CAS to hear Legia Warsaw appeal on Monday

The Court of Arbitration for Sport will hear Legia Warsaw's appeal against Champions League exclusion on Monday.

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Talk Sport: Not over yet Celtic! Legia Warsaw make final appeal to stay in the Champions League

Legia Warsaw have submitted a last-gasp appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport after losing their Champions League place to Celtic.

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Fox Sports: Legia Warsaw seeks CAS ruling to play in Champions League next week

Legia Warsaw has filed an urgent appeal with sport's highest court to be reinstated in the Champions League playoff round next week.

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Allsports.com.gh: Legia Warsaw take UEFA Champions League appeal to CAS

Legia Warsaw will turn to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in a latest bid to keep their UEFA Champions League campaign alive.

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August 15th

 

Legia Warsaw's press release on the appeal to CAS

 

Legia Warsaw informs that today the appeal against the decision of UEFA Appeals Body (13/08/2014) has been issued to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), as well as the request for provisional measure: temporary reinstation of Legia to the UEFA Champions League play-off round.

Standing against UEFA has never been our aim, we wanted to oppose against the regulations which are obviously against the fair-play and the spirit of sport - claims Dariusz Mioduski, the Chariman of Legia Warsaw. - Therefore we are surprised and disappointed with UEFA decision not to support our application for fast-track procedure at CAS, despite we have been promised so.

Fast-track procedure at CAS could let issue a final verdict next Monday, before the first matches of UCL and UEFA Europa League play-off matches. Now the final decision of CAS is expected within the regular period of three months. Under these surprising circumstances of UEFA decision's change, the Club has applied to the CAS for the provisional measure mentioned above.

We have asked CAS to suspend the 0:3 forfeit until the final decision, accept on-the-pitch result and reinstate our Club to the UCL play-off round - explains Mioduski. - We are aware that making such a heavy decision requires not only a strong conviction about Legia's legitimacy and chanse for final success, but courage as well. We believe that CAS will investigate the case mainly on the level of rationality and proportionality of the decisions of UEFA disciplinary body and the spirit of the game. We still hope that finally football and fair-play will win.

CAS should decide on Monday. Regrardless this verdict, the coach and players are focused on their duties. The team is mentally very strong - our today's victory over Jagiellonia proved that. We are currently preparing for the match against Aktobe - says Bogusław Leśnodorski, President of Legia's Board.

The Club informs that the decision of CAS made on Monday will be announced by another release, as well as Legia's next steps.


August 14th


International media on UEFA's rejecting Legia's appeal
 

The Celebrity Cafe: Glasgow Celtic remain in Champions League after UEFA rejects Legia Warsaw's appeal

Legia lost their appeal to be reinstated into the Champions League after feilding an illegal player cost them their spot

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STV: Celtic remain in Champions League as Legia Warsaw lose UEFA appeal

Celtic will participate in the Champions League play-off round after Legia Warsaw’s appeal against UEFA sanctions failed.

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The Scotsman: Legia Warsaw UEFA appeal thrown out

Legia hoped that UEFA would show leniency and put “football first” prior to their hearing with representatives of the governing body, which took place Wednesday. However, it has officially been confirmed that UEFA have turned down the appeal.

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The Scotsman: Legia accuse Uefa of blocking CAS hearing

MORE confusion surrounds Legia Warsaw’s bid to win their Champions League place back from Celtic after their chairman claimed UEFA had denied them the chance of a swift hearing at the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

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The Guardian: Celtic wait as Legia Warsaw vow to take Champions League appeal to Cas

Celtic could face more European uncertainty despite Legia Warsaw’s failure to persuade Uefa to overturn their effective expulsion from the Champions League.

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The Herald: Legia lose UEFA appeal but vow to keep fighting

LEGIA Warsaw will fight the decision to exclude them from the Champions League, with Celtic now scheduled to face Maribor of Slovenia in the play-off round next week.

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Yahoo! Sports: UEFA rejects Legia Warsaw appeal over Champions League

Celtic held on to their controversial Champions League berth on Thursday, as UEFA rejected an appeal from Legia Warsaw over their dramatic exit from the competition.

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Eurosport: Legia Warsaw launch last-gasp appeal as Celtic made to sweat

Legia Warsaw have mounted a last-gasp bid to overturn their elimination from the Champions League and reclaim the play-off place that was handed to Celtic.

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Daily Mail: Legia Warsaw owner claims he would have handed tie to Celtic after UEFA turn down club's Champions League appeal

Legia Warsaw owner claims if roles were reversed he would have handed tie to Celtic after UEFA turn down club's Champions League appeal.

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DPA International: UEFA turns down Legia Warsaw appeal

Legia Warsaw appeal against their Champions League ejection for fielding an ineligible player has been turned down, the ruling body UEFA said Thursday.

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Zee News: Legia Warsaw lose appeal against Champions League elimination

Polish champions Legia Warsaw have lost an appeal to UEFA against their elimination from the Champions League after they fielded a suspended player against Celtic, the club`s co-owner Dariusz Mioduski said on Thursday.

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August 14th

 

Legia's statement on the UEFA's decision


Legia Warsaw informs, that the UEFA Appeals Body, second instance disciplinary body, has rejected Club's appeal for the 0:3 forfeit second leg match of third round of Champions League qualifications.

Till the last moment we hoped that the spirit of sport wins, we find the decision extremely unfair - says Dariusz Mioduski, Legia's Chairman - However we expected that decision and were prepared for it. We are to appeal to the CAS promptly. We will use the full appeal procedure, in order to get back our result that was fairly gained on the pitch. We will certainly fully subordinate to the final verdict. But I still hope that football will win, as well as the values it is based on: fair-play and respect to the on-the-pitch result.

- We hope that CAS will judge our case as soon as possible - says Bogusław Leśnodorski, President of Legia's Board - We don't give up and keep fighting. Our lawyers are now working hard on the case, while the team prepares for the forthcoming matches. We aim high as always. 

The Club will keep everyone updated about the following steps. No further comments on the decision of UEFA Appeals Body will be released at this moment.

 

Comment made by Legia's Chairman Dariusz Mioduski:

 

 

Legia's press release on the UEFA Appeals Body hearing from 13th August

The meeting of the UEFA Appeal Body was held in the morning, with Legia Warszawa co-owner Dariusz Mioduski and his associates present. The atmosphere during the meeting was fully professional and the Club’s representatives were granted the possibility to thoroughly present their stand on the issue. The decision of the UEFA Appeal Body is to be announced in the evening or tomorrow morning.

Legia Warszawa would like to thank the UEFA disciplinary bodies for the prompt organisation of the appeal procedure. At the same time, we would like to inform you that until the official decision of the UEFA Appeal Body is announced the Club will not issue any further communication.

 

August 12th

 

An open letter from Legia Warszawa

Dear Friends,

Football is our common passion. We are deeply convinced this beautiful game should be based on universal values – shared by everyone who enters the pitch to compete for victory. Those values, widely accept by the entire European football family, are: football first, fair play and respect.

Over previous days we have been closely following the decisions of European football authorities. We believe the most crucial element of the game is the result settled in honest and fair competition on the pitch, as highlighted in the UEFA values: “Football First”! We are responsible for the fate of the game and we should all feel obliged to protect the beautiful football heritage based on these superior values for the generations to come.

We all hope that all decisions made over next days and forever after will respect the spirit of the game that begins and ends on the pitch. Join us if you support football united around the idea of fair play, respect and sports competition.

#LetFootballWin #NiechWygraFutbol 

You can also read this letter here

 


Legia's statement on the possibility of appeal

We understand that acting under the pressure of time and circumstances, the Chairman of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body literally applied Art. 21.02 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations. Meanwhile, we wish to express our faith that the UEFA Appeal Body will explore the following possibilities: 

1) On the basis of Art. 17.01 and Art. 17.02 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations the disciplinary body determines the type and extent of the disciplinary measure in accordance with the objective and subjective aspects of the offence; in cases where all aspects of the offence have been revealed by the party charged and after taking into account both aggravating and mitigating circumstances, it may scale down the disciplinary measure or even nullify it altogether.

2) On the basis of Art. 20.01 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations the ruled disciplinary measure (match forfeited 0:3 in favour for Celtic FC) may be suspended.

Meanwhile, we wish to inform that the abovementioned argumentation will be used by the Club at every stage of the appeal process.


August 10th

Dariusz Mioduski's letter to Celtic F.C.


Dear Sirs,

Celtic FC is one of the European football legends, a Club with a remarkable heritage, that has contributed to the history of the world's most beautiful game. This legend is based not only on the great on-the-field successes, but also on determination and attachment to values such as honesty and honour. The successive generations of wonderful, devoted fans of "The Bhoys" glorify their Club all around the world. Thanks to that, for many reasons Celtic FC has been our role model.

Legia Warsaw is also a Club with strong  character and a brave  heart. Our history is not as long or successful, however we can proudly look both back and  ahead.  Almost 100 years of our difficult history, inseparably bound with the tough fate of Poland and the city of Warsaw, prove one certain thing - we never give up and value honour the most.

Double victory over Celtic FC in the third qualification round of the UEFA Champions League, firmly but fairly gained on the pitch, was a big success for us. It led us closer to the big dream of the entire generation of our fans: to reach the group stage of the UCL for the first time in 19 years. We found it deeply unfair and contradictory to the fair-play rules to see our dreams   shattered by the last  4 minutes of the already decided second leg match,   when Bartosz Bereszynski was brought on the pitch. Our player had served the full sentence and intentionally missed first three matches in the UCL qualifications this season.

Celtic FC went down in the history with one of the most beautiful stories of European football in 1967, after beating mighty Inter Milan managed by Helenio Herrera in the European Cup final. Could you imagine Jock Stein and Billy McNeill deprived of the chance to achieve the biggest triumph in their   career by an application form, filled improperly by the Club employee acting in good faith? Would any true legend of Celtic FC accept the qualification won despite the double defeat suffered on the  pitch?  I am strongly convinced,   that  their legendary Celtic pride would not allow them to do that. How could they then look in the eyes of their humiliated fans?

I therefore call on you to refer to your best traditions of honour and honesty, that your famous Club has been known for during last 126 years. Do not destroy the beautiful legacy, that you inherited from the past generations of "The Bhoys". I call you to act according to the spirit of the game and the rules of fair play - to issue a joint statement to the UEFA disciplinary bodies. Let's meet in Warsaw or Glasgow and settle this matter honourably.

Willie Maley, the legendary manager of Celtic FC, once said, that in your stadium "a man is judged by his football alone". Only you can decide whether this noble credo will be replaced by an opportunistic use of legal loopholes.

Many Celtic FC fans bear the "Keep the  Faith!" motto on their flags, jerseys, tattoos and in their hearts. I will be thinking about it while awaiting your answer.

Sincerely yours,

Dariusz Mioduski, Chairman


Bogusław Leśnodorski's letter to UEFA

Dear Sirs,

With reference to a decision taken on 8th August, 2014, by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body resulting in the exclusion of our Club from the play-off round of the Champions League competition, taken despite the fact that we secured our qualification on the football pitch, we expect to receive immediate written justification of the decision.

In order to seek justice and adherence to the Fair Play principle, we are forced to resort to the appeal procedures. One of the requirements of the appeal is that we are obliged to obtain written justification of the decision given by The UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body. Although regulations do not specify precise deadlines within which the Body is obligated to provide such justification, we strongly believe it will be handed over to us immediately, allowing us to pursue the path of appeal before the commencement of the Champions League play-off round.

When our Club was duly informed, on 7th  August 2014, about a disciplinary action initiated against us, without any delay we responded with a declaration of readiness to actively participate in the proceedings, as one of the parties involved, and prepared comprehensive explanations, which were passed over to the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body. The entire documentation, attachments and translations of the necessary documents have been submitted to UEFA within 16 hours since the receipt of the information concerning initiation of the disciplinary action. On the day when the verdict was announced, that is on 8th August, 2014, the Club's President, accompanied by other representatives of the Club, was present in the UEFA Nyon offices, prepared to provide further explanatory statements and present the Club's official position in the matter in question. Unfortunately, despite prior assurances from the UEFA representatives regarding our presence in the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body proceedings, we were denied such right. In our opinion, the unprecedented character of the case called for our presence, according to Art. 51 point 2 of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations. After the proceedings have been concluded, the Chairman of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body, who was fully aware of our presence in the UEFA offices, did not even pass the decision to us directly. We were appalled by this behavior and felt both discriminated and disregarded in this extraordinary   situation.

We would like to believe that values laid out in the UEFA "Eleven Values", especially the Fair Play principle, in which the European football family believe (and so do we, as we consider ourselvesas a part of that community), shall always be respected. We are deeply convinced that the final result of the match, achieved in a fair way on the pitch, should prevail. Our belief has been strongly reinforced these days by the reaction of the European football community who, in their entirety, are outraged by this attempt to negate an unquestionable victory on the pitch by means of a verdict that stands in clear juxtaposition with the spirit of Fair Playcompetition.

We are fully aware that the situation we all face is both unprecedented and extraordinary. We understand that the disciplinary UEFA body worked under the pressure of time and circumstances. Yet, we are deeply convinced that an immediate and thorough investigation by The UEFA Appeals Body will result in a verdict that adheres to the principle of proportionality and, consequently, will strengthen millions of football fans in their belief that our beautiful game is fair and free of any suspicion.

Hoping that football, Fair Play, and true sportsmanship shall prevail in the end,

Yours faithfully,

Bogusław Leśnodorski, President of the Management Board.

 


International media about the Legia vs Celtic case

BBC: Legia Warsaw outline bid to reclaim Champions League place

Legia Warsaw have outlined their grounds of appeal against their banishment from the Champions League and Celtic's resulting reinstatement.

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The New York Times: Justice served up the UEFA way

When Michel Platini campaigned for the highest office of European soccer seven years ago, he vowed to make players more important to the sport than administrators.

In many ways, Platini delivered on that promise. But unless UEFA now reverses a decision made a few days ago, the notion of fair play on the field is discredited even before the new Champions League season fully begins.

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Inside World Football: Why doing the right thing over Legia might be in Celtic's long term interests

I am surely not alone in thinking both a) that it was the correct decision for UEFA to make, but b) that, in this particular case, the punishment seems disproportionate given the circumstances of the tie. I had therefore come around to the view that Celtic ought to contact UEFA to politely decline the second chance they had been handed, while harbouring few illusions about the prospects of this actually happening.

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The Guardian: Do Celtic deserve to progress past Legia Warsaw in the Champions League?

Mioduski has a way with words and a passion for rhetoric, but he also has a point: if Uefa are bound by their rulebook, perhaps Celtic should do the honourable thing and let the better team go through. Celtic were given a chance to go against their own interests and enhance their reputation, but instead they passed the buck back to Uefa, saying they were “disappointed by Legia Warsaw’s comments” and that the matter is “entirely a matter for Uefa and its processes”.

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Daily Star: Hey, Celtic - we just want to talk about it! Legia Warsaw plead with Scots over Euro exit

Scotland's champions lost 6-1 on aggregate against Legia but regained their tournament place when the Poles were thrown out for including an ineligible sub for four minutes of the second leg.

Legia have appealed to UEFA and if that fails they plan to go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

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Scotzine: UEFA’s decision is ‘absolutely devastating’ for Polish football

Season after season I’d watched different Polish champions be defeated by stronger opposition, and I expected it to happen again. To my surprise, Legia defeated Celtic 4-1 in the first leg. In the second leg I thought it would be more difficult. I was even fearful that 4-1 might not be enough. I could see Celtic managing a 3-0 win [the irony], yet Legia won again, 2-0, and there was no doubt who the better side was over the two games.

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Sportskeeda: Legia Warsaw request Celtic for a meeting to decide Champions League fate

Legia Warsaw have appealed to Celtic to let the two sides decide Champions League progression after the Polish side’s bureaucratic error of fielding an ineligible during a match between the two sides led to their ouster from the competition. 

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FOX Sports: Legia hopeful their Champions League exit will be overturned

Legia Warsaw remain furious over their Champions League exit but are still optimistic of being reinstated as they continue to chase Celtic to agree to talks for a resolution.

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Reuters: Legia call on Celtic to withdraw from Champions League

Polish sources said Legia were happy to have a meeting with Celtic officials in Glasgow or Warsaw to discuss the matter but were not suggesting a one-off match. The club have accused Celtic of ignoring their telephone calls and emails.

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ESPN: Legia Warsaw ask Celtic to 'do the honourable thing'

Celtic were awarded a 3-0 win, meaning they went through on away goals after a 4-4 draw and were drawn against Slovenian side Maribor in the Champions League play-off, with the Warsaw club dropping into the Europa League.

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BBC: Legia Warsaw ask Celtic for meeting

Legia Warsaw have issued an open letter to Celtic requesting a "meeting" to decide which side should progress to the Champions League play-off round.

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Mirror: Legia Warsaw send letter to Celtic asking for meeting to decide Champions League progress

The Polish side sealed a 6-1 aggregate win in the third qualifying round but were punished for fielding an ineligible player.

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The Guardian: Legia Warsaw request meeting with Celtic over Champions League place

Celtic were beaten 6-1 on aggregate in the third qualifying round but, because the Polish champions fielded the ineligible Bartosz Bereszynski as a substitute in the second leg, Ronny Deila’s side were handed a 3-0 walkover win and therefore progressed on away goals.

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Daily Mail: Celtic 'ignored calls and emails' that could have let Legia Warsaw keep Champions League place, says Polish football chief

Celtic were gifted a place in the play-off round of Europe's top tier competition despite losing 6-1 on aggregate to Legia in the third qualifying round - courtesy of an admin mistake with the victors bringing on an ineligible player.

Legia were stripped of their Champions League status and Polish FA chairman Zbigniew Boniek claims Celtic were unreachable as the saga unravelled, with calls and emails that could have seen their opponents put through ignored.

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Daily Record: Celtic accused of behaviour 'not befitting a great club' and blanking calls for leniency for Legia Warsaw in the wake of Champions League exit

POLISH football great Zbigniew Boniek has revealed how the club attempted to contact Celtic in an attempt to persuade them to accept a reduced punishment from UEFA after Legia fielded an ineligible player.

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Sky Sports: Celtic stance dissapoints Legia

A phone interview with Dariusz Mioduski, Legia's owner.

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Zee News India: Disqualified Legia Warsaw talks of appealing to UEFA

Polish fans` reactions range from criticism of the club`s incompetence to an attack on UEFA`s strictness, accusing the organisation of discrimination. In a similar case four years ago, Hungarian club Debrecen were simply fined 15,000 euros.

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Kansas.com: Celtic rejects impassioned plea by Legia

Celtic has rejected a plea by Legia Warsaw to give up its place in the Champions League playoffs in favor of the Polish team.

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The Herald: Celtic fans should feel ashamed if Legia lose appeal, says Dziekanowski

DARIUSZ DZIEKANOWSKI has launched a blistering assault on his former club Celtic by branding them "the laughing stock of world football" and insisting they will only go on to shame themselves on the field again should they be given the green light to remain in the Champions League.

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Marca: El Legia había eliminado al Celtic en primera ronda

UEFA ha sancionado al club polaco con la derrota por 3-0 en el partido de vuelta (el resultado previo de la sanción fue 0-2) y ese resultado clasifica al conjunto escocés que perdió 4-1 en Polonia, y que, por goal average, consigue clasificarse para la siguiente ronda de la Champions.

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O Jogo: Legia exluído da Liga dos Campeoes

Bartosz Bereszynski foi suspenso por três jogos e o Legia considerou que o jogador tinha cumprido o castigo nos encontros da segunda pré-eliminatória, frente o St Patrick's, e na primeira mão da ronda com o Celtic, mas o Comité de Controlo e Disciplina da UEFA entende que, como o jogador não estava inscrito na altura dos encontros com os irlandeses, ainda tinha duas partidas por cumprir.

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Record: Légia Varsóvia apresenta recurso sobre afastamento

Os polacos do Légia de Varsóvia apresentaram recurso da decisão da UEFA de os afastar da Liga dos Campeões de futebol, entregando a vaga ao Celtic de Glasgow.

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O Globo: Celtic herda vaga do Légia Varsóvia

A maior surpresa do sorteio foi a aparição do Celitc entre os classificados. A equipe da Escócia perdeu os dois jogos para o Légia Varsóvia, da Polônia, mas herdou a vaga após o time polonês ter colocado em campo o zagueiro Bartosz Bereszynski, que estava suspenso e não poderia jogar. O curioso é que o atleta jogou apenas os dois últimos minutos da segunda partida.

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IP 89.78.2***
2014-08-11 13:04

Oczywiście UEFA łamie fair play przy zielonym stoliku, jednak to Legia w skandaliczny sposób złamała przepisy, wszystko podobno było podporządkowane LM w klubie i co się stało? Ile niekompetentnych osób musi tam pracować skoro na pamięć nie znają podstawowych reguł i przepisów w rozgrywkach o jakie walczą? Panie Mioduski, Panie Leśnodorski jesteście sami prawnikami i jak mogliście dopuścić do czegoś takiego? Pytam się jako kibic i pytam się, kiedy w końcu zarządzał Legią będzie prawdziwy zarządca a nie marketingowiec?

 

gość legia.com~olo

IP 80.252.***
2014-08-11 13:28

W kraju gdzie Amber Gold przekręciło około 12 tyś. osób i żaden prawnik się nie 'przyczepił'...czepia się jednej osoby, która nie wypełniła dobrze jednego papierka.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 86.140.***
2014-08-11 13:46

No chance will celtic ever give up their CL place although they like to use "sporting integrity" in every sentence that has Rangers football club in it. Practice what you preach the world now knows there in not an ounce of sporting integrity at your despicable football club.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 83.4.17***
2014-08-11 13:52

Ask UEFA !!!! Here's how absurd is this provision which they hold UEFA officials. Imagine a situation Legia Warsaw wins first match 4:0. In the Celtic Legia Warsaw loses, say, 5:0 and five minutes before the end of the suspended introduces Bereszyńskiego. The result is a walkover or 3:0 and then what? Celtic with certain promotion suddenly loses it. Where's the sense of where logic.

Regards

Rafał B.

 

gość legia.com~asad

IP 89.79.1***
2014-08-11 14:19

CZYTAĆ WSZYSCY !!! WAŻNE !!!! Słuchajcie, może trzeba zorganizować na facebooku jakąś
strone z petycją skierowaną do uefa pod którą mogliby się podpisywać ludzie na całym świecie
facebook w dzisiejszych czasach to skuteczne i najlepsze narzędzie do nagłaśniania pewnych spraw
spraw. Myślę że jakby dobrze do rozreklamować ( najlepiej jakby wszystkie strony związane z
Legią wrzuciły takie podanie u siebie na tablice) dalej porozsyłać to po wszystkich klubach
na całym świecie, każdy kibic udostępniałby to na swojej tablicy i tak dalej, jakbyśmy zebrali kilkanaście
milionów podpisów pod tym to myślicie że uefa przeszłaby koło tego obojętnie ? Tylko ważne jest to aby zajął się tym klub
to musi być oficjalne i mądrze napisane pismo, przede wszystkim musi byc napisane po angielsku. Myślę że warto spróbować,
nic to nie kosztuje, a nawet jeśli się nie uda ludzie na całym świecie dowiedzą się że uefa
nie ma nic wspólnego z duchem sportu i niczym nie różni się od polityki, która twardo trzyma się tylko papierków.

Proszę również redakcje o przekazanie takiego pomysłu jak najszybciej do władz klubu, w jeden dzień można nawet nakręcić jakiś klip ukazujący całą sprawę
trzeba działać !!

 

gość legia.com~rafal

IP 31.61.1***
2014-08-11 14:30

Jedynym argumentem jest komputerowy sposób powiadamiania UEFA o tym, czy zawodnik jest zgłoszony, który obowiązuje od tego sezonu. Poprzednio to wysyłało się faksem. Teraz jest to bardziej unowocześnione, co daje klubom możliwość dokonywania zmian zgłoszonych zawodników niemalże w ostatniej chwili. To może być argument, że ten ekstranet to jakaś nowość, że nie wszyscy opanowali tę sztukę wprowadzania zmian.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 10.100.***
2014-08-11 14:33

Doskonała praca publicystyczna Legii! Miejmy nadzieję, że te międzynarodowe naciski wpłyną na decydentów UEFy.

 

gość legia.com~kibic

IP 83.2.83***
2014-08-11 14:49

Dla UEFY liczy się tylko "finansowe fair-play". O boiskowym możemy tylko pomarzyć

 

gość legia.com~tom

IP 178.180***
2014-08-11 15:01

ASAD- masz rację, że trzeba interweniować.Czytając komentarze zagranicznych kibiców nie związanych z Legią Można stwierdzić, że również uważają,że ta sytuacja to absurd. ktoś musi założyć stronę na fb po angielsku z petycją o przywróceniu Legii i to jak najszybciej. PIERWSZA ZASADA UEFA TO: DUCH SPORTU JEST NAJPIĘKNIEJSZY. Sprawmy, aby fair play nie przegrało z Kasą!!!!!

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 89.25.1***
2014-08-11 15:33

stało się jak się stało i chyba dobrze że teraz a nie w play-offach

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 81.147.***
2014-08-11 15:42

Ja się chętnie pod taką petycją podpisze

 

gość legia.com~zchpit

IP 91.198.***
2014-08-11 16:16

Jakie konsekwencje zostaną wyciągnięte wobec niekompetentnych ludzi wewnątrz Legii?

 

gość legia.com~M@c

IP 89.66.1***
2014-08-11 16:18

Na TVN 24 podali info, że UEFA wysłała już uzasadnienie

 

gawrylo

IP 80.48.1***
2014-08-11 16:47

Którą drużynę rozpracowuje teraz sztab szkoleniowy przed kolejnym meczem w eliminacjach?

   

gość legia.com~nick

IP 213.120***
2014-08-11 17:51

It is such a shame that you have worked so hard to discredit Celtic. I know many Celtic supporters who have great sympathy for your club and your predicament with UEFA. Most accept your position is unprecedented and unwarranted and would have wished you well with your appeal. In no way would we even wish such an outcome on our worst enemy. But why turn this into something Celtic is responsible for? Why continue to attack the club and her reputation in public when you should be focusing your anger and your attention at UEFA and trying to find a diplomatic solution. Don't you realise that your wholly inappropriate attacks on Celtic are only likely to make your case weaker?

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 178.43.***
2014-08-11 18:02

Do redakcji:
Zakładając, że UEFA przywróci Legię do LM to co wówczas się stanie, bo Legia raczej nie zajmie miejsca Celticu w meczu z Mariborem, bo oba zespoły były wcześniej nierozstawione? Drugie losowanie? Co zakłada regulamin w takim przypadku?

 

gość legia.com~nielubieja

IP 31.11.1***
2014-08-11 19:15

w przypadku uznania odwołania, dwumecz legia maribor

 

gość legia.com~Gabro

IP 89.75.8***
2014-08-11 19:49

Celtic, where is your honour and proud?

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 90.209.***
2014-08-11 20:39

Don't cheat and you will not get thrown out

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 95.108.***
2014-08-11 21:02

Legia może zagrać ze Steaua Bukareszt zastępując Ludogorec Razgrad który byłby zespołem rozstawionym w przypadku gdyby w losowaniu wzięła udział Legia. Sam Ludogorec zagrałby z Mariborem a Celtic z Aktobe, ponieważ podobnie jak Legia byłby rozstawiony w losowaniu 4 rundy eliminacji Ligi Europy.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 95.108.***
2014-08-11 21:05

Ale trudno z całkowita pewnością przewidzieć co Uefa zadecydowalaby w takiej sytuacji. Byc moze redakcja zna regulamin stosowany w takich okolicznościach.

 

gość legia.com~Słoniu

IP 176.116***
2014-08-11 21:13

Przeczytałem UEFA Disciplinary Regulations i wszystko się zgadza jeśli chodzi o wymierzanie kary ALE nigdzie nie znalazłem informacji o procedurach administracyjnych dotyczących zawieszonego zawodnika. Gdzie jest taka informacja? Może ktoś z Was wie.

 

gość legia.com~anglik

IP 89.79.1***
2014-08-11 22:39

Helo, maj nejs is Mirek.
Ja lowe Legia.
Legia is ok.

Senks.

 

gość legia.com~madmaxxx

IP 89.71.2***
2014-08-11 22:46

Pozwolę sobie zacytować niezwykle trafną uwagę jednego z kibiców: kibicrafik IP 83.4.17*** dzisiaj, 13:54 Zapytajcie UEFA !!!! Oto jak absurdalny jest ten przepis którego się trzymają działacze UEFA. Proszę sobie wyobrazić taką sytuację Legia wygrywa pierwszy mecz 4:0. W Celtiku Legia przegrywa powiedzmy 5:0 i pięć minut przed końcem wprowadza zawieszonego Bereszyńskiego. W rezultacie jest walkower czyli 3:0 i co wtedy? Celtik mając pewny awans nagle go traci. Gdzie tu sens gdzie logika. Pozdrawiam Rafał B.

 

gość legia.com~Galaretkow

IP 87.205.***
2014-08-11 23:56

~nick
Wchodzimy na miejsce Celticu, a oni na nasze. Tak jest w regulaminie UEFA.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 178.42.***
2014-08-12 00:00

ja bym zaproponował bojkot sponsorów LM na facebooku, na skalę europejską

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 2.125.4***
2014-08-12 02:24

Move on you blundered, no club in the world would walk away from a second chance in CL.I sympathized with your team at first but the begging and behavior of your supporters changed my view.Celtic did not complain, UEFA spotted YOUR mistake and rules are rules in all sport.Now the desperation has to stop except you failings and see it don't happen again.
And thank henning for the 3 goals, makes up for the E.B.T HH :P

 

gość legia.com~Gość

IP 89.67.6***
2014-08-12 08:17

Czy Legia nie może wystąpić o ukaranie się za niedopełnienie obowiązku wpisania zawodnika pauzującego za kartki na listę? Czyli na meczach z St. Patricks.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 89.25.1***
2014-08-12 09:04

wtedy walkower dotyczyłby całego dwumeczu , po prostu walkower dla Celtiku bez względu na wyniki

 

gość legia.com~do madmaxx

IP 164.61.***
2014-08-12 10:02

Wtedy zostaje wynik 5:0 dla Celtiku. Wynik jest 3-0 jeśli drużyna dostająca walkower nie wygra wyżej niż 3-0 - musi być korzystniejszy wynik niż 3-0 wtedy zostaje.
Bardziej mnie zastanawia jak by Legia wygrała 3-0 w Warszawie... Co wtedy ? byłoby 3-3 ten sam stosunek bramek u siebie i wyjeździe ale co dalej ?

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 87.205.***
2014-08-12 11:37

Jeśli w pierwszym meczu byłoby 4:0 dla Legii a w drugim 5:0 dla Celticu to po walkowerze utrzymany byłby wynik 5:0

 

gość legia.com~trh

IP 94.254.***
2014-08-12 11:43

Medialny majstersztyk, gratuluję i jestem pod ogromnym ogromnym wrażeniem.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 2.221.2***
2014-08-12 11:51

Hahahaha Get over it

 

gość legia.com~john in ma

IP 77.89.1***
2014-08-12 12:11

I fully understand the feelings of all who are involved with the club at a very difficult time, The punishment set by UEFA seemed draconian without seemingly to look at what the organisation own ethics aspire to be.

I hope the appeal is successful on Wednesday and i wish you all success with it.

A football Fan

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 82.30.5***
2014-08-12 13:07

Attacking Celtic FC and its heritage has done your club no favours at all. We where well beaten on the park of that there is no doubt.
The responsibility was with your own staff.
The decision and rules are applied by Uefa.
Your board are attacking our club with words.
Your fans are attacking members of your own club.

Many fans from all around the world sympathise with your situation BUT it was all your own fault.
You also did not understand a letter sent to you from Nyon.
Your staff have failed in a very basic part of the rules, those rules have been broken.

Legia should not be questioning the integrity of anyone. Its all your own doing.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 159.205***
2014-08-12 13:11

myślicie że legia warszawa bedzie grała dalej

 

gość legia.com~Janek123

IP 159.205***
2014-08-12 13:12

myślicie że legia warszawa będzie grała dalej

 

gość legia.com~Jocur

IP 92.22.3***
2014-08-12 14:04

Hail hail, sympathy for legia, but it was nothing to do with Celtic FC. We turned up, got beat twice, got embarrassed and due to an error, reinstated by UEFA. Any club in the world would take this advantage and the income it brings. If Legia fans reckon their club would not do the same then they are as stupid as some of their flags their supporters wave.

 

gość legia.com~piotrek

IP 89.250.***
2014-08-12 14:13

prawie w każdym liście jest błąd - ACCEPTED A NIE ACCEPT, OVER PREVIOUS DAYS?? RACZEJ OVER LAST FEW DAYS

AND FOREVER AFTER??? TO JAK Z BAJEK DLA DZIECI. CHYBA AFTERWARDS ALBO AFTER THAT (JUŻ SŁABIEJ).

TO JEST AMATORKA NA CAŁEGO OD POCZĄTKU LIPCA DO TERAZ

 

gość legia.com~YNWA Hail

IP 86.14.1***
2014-08-12 16:54

Dear Polish friends,

Celtic fans have much sympathy for the situation you find yourselves in. We fully acknowledge your victory on the field of play. We subscribe to and follow the laws and regulations of the game, thereby we will abide by the judgement of UEFA. This is not a situation of Celtic's doing, nor one that Celtic can alter. This is a situation that has sadly been brought about by human error.

You have proved yourselves an international embarrassment by resorting to tactics to try and sully the great global name of Celtic. Follow the process and restore some honour by showing RESPECT.

Perhaps you can ask your manager to pay the tax voluntarily to the UK HMRC - this is due from his hidden salary when he played for the former Glasgow Rangers FC. This would surely demonstrate the high levels of fairness and equality to which you clearly seek from others.

Should you progress I wish you good fortune in the competition, but if not please show the same dignity that you expect.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 70.24.4***
2014-08-12 17:54

Don't judge Celtic and Legia by what fans say to each other. Judge them how their leadership tries to represent something. Legia leadership(New to the game), is naive and hoping for what is right. Celtic leadership(Old to the game), is set in its ways and not compassionate. I guess it is okay for a father of a family to say to his son, sorry son you didn't follow the rules so suffer the penalty....but which rule did the son break? The worst is not Celtic fans or Legia fans or Celtic management or Legia management....it is UEFA(old boys corrupt network...at least it seems that way). In that, Celtic fans and management should stand up and say this is not correct. Are we in a new era of football where young people in Europe can hope for Fair Play, or are we back in the old days where the club was a private with blk membership and money ruled?

 

gość legia.com~Kibic pols

IP 213.87.***
2014-08-12 17:58

Młody chłopak dobiega do mety maratonu w ramach Mistrzostw Polski w maratonie. Nie dostaje złotego medalu bo... nie wykupił w PZLA jednorazowej licencji za 5 zł. Mimo to w odczuciu wszystkich wygrał. Powinien w związku z tym napisać do IAAF i pożalić się nowo koronowanemu mistrzowi Polski? Pewnie ten oddałby mu medal, ale w tablicach widniałby jego rezultat. O co ten cały krzyk? Nikt Legii nie zabierze tego, że wygrała. Mistrz Polski jest okazał się organizacyjnym niedołęgą. Panowie prezesi są biznesmenami, życzę im skuteczności i lepszych decyzji personalnych związanych z doborem odpowiedzialnego personelu w otoczeniu drużyny.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 86.156.***
2014-08-12 19:29

A totally disproportionate, unjust and extremely harsh decision by UEFA. The best team in this tie were clearly Legia Warsaw with a 6-1 victory over the two legs. Celtic FC are a total embarrassment to British football, they have shown their true colours and are hypocrites when it comes to 'sporting integrity'. If the shoe had been on the other foot and it was Celtic that was kicked out of the competition the whole world would have know about how unfairly they had been treated. Instead they hide and say nothing only that it is out of their hands and is UEFA's decision. If they had an one ounce of compassion and really embraced the meaning of sporting integrity they would do the decent thing and let the better team continue in the competition. The laws of football should rightly serve the game, but the punishment inflicted by UEFA has made a mockery of a competition that is supposed to be reserved for the elite of European football. Celtic FC had their chance a blew it and don't deserve to go through.

Good luck with the appeal.

 

gość legia.com~Justice fo

IP 86.156.***
2014-08-12 19:33

A totally disproportionate, unjust and extremely harsh decision by UEFA. The best team in this tie were clearly Legia Warsaw with a 6-1 victory over the two legs. Celtic FC are a total embarrassment to British football, they have shown their true colours and are hypocrites when it comes to 'sporting integrity'. If the shoe had been on the other foot and it was Celtic that was kicked out of the competition the whole world would have know about how unfairly they had been treated. Instead they hide and say nothing only that it is out of their hands and is UEFA's decision. If they had an one ounce of compassion and really embraced the meaning of sporting integrity they would do the decent thing and let the better team continue in the competition. The laws of football should rightly serve the game, but the punishment inflicted by UEFA has made a mockery of a competition that is supposed to be reserved for the elite of European football. Celtic FC had their chance a blew it and don't deserve to go through.

Good luck with the appeal.

 

gość legia.com~Englander

IP 86.156.***
2014-08-12 19:35

A totally disproportionate, unjust and extremely harsh decision by UEFA. The best team in this tie were clearly Legia Warsaw with a 6-1 victory over the two legs. Celtic FC are a total embarrassment to British football, they have shown their true colours and are hypocrites when it comes to 'sporting integrity'. If the shoe had been on the other foot and it was Celtic that was kicked out of the competition the whole world would have known about how unfairly they had been treated. Instead they hide and say nothing only that it is out of their hands and is UEFA's decision. If they had an one ounce of compassion and really embraced the meaning of sporting integrity they would do the decent thing and let the better team continue in the competition. The laws of football should rightly serve the game, but the punishment inflicted by UEFA has made a mockery of a competition that is supposed to be reserved for the elite of European football. Celtic FC had their chance a blew it and don't deserve to go through.

Good luck with the appeal.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 2.138.1***
2014-08-12 21:35

Two things:
1. Fiduciary duty. Celtic are a PLC. The Directors have a statutory duty to promote the Company and obtain the best return possible for shareholders. You would have to go a long way to convince me that this would be best served by standing aside in these circumstances.
2. UEFA's rules don't appear to allow for Celtic standing aside in any event. I imagine they would take a very very dim view of Celtic trying to circumvent the due process of their disciplinary procedures.
I think we can all agree the rules are harsh. Perhaps this might see them re-written in the future. But as they currently stand, UEFA don't have a choice and Celtic don't have a choice. Legia are merely muddying the waters and deflecting away from their own administrative negligence.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 80.30.1***
2014-08-12 21:38

Two things:
1. Fiduciary duty. Celtic are a PLC. The Directors have a statutory duty to promote the Company and obtain the best return possible for shareholders. You would have to go a long way to convince me that this would be best served by standing aside in these circumstances.
2. UEFA's rules don't appear to allow for Celtic standing aside in any event. I imagine they would take a very very dim view of Celtic trying to circumvent the due process of their disciplinary procedures.
I think we can all agree the rules are harsh. Perhaps this might see them re-written in the future. But as they currently stand, UEFA don't have a choice and Celtic don't have a choice. Legia are merely muddying the waters and deflecting away from their own administrative negligence.

 

gość legia.com~ole

IP 5.185.2***
2014-08-13 00:18

Koniecznie zróbcie porządek z angielską stroną!
Wygląda fatalnie w porównaniu do polskiej wersji, z uwagi na ogromne zainteresowanie Legią z poza Polski musi być lepsza.

Jak jest okazja budować image, to po co tracić na słabej stronie angielskojęzycznej.

 

gość legia.com~Maro

IP 178.235***
2014-08-13 00:40

To Celtic fans following this conversation. Indeed your club did nothing wrong as far as breaking the rules or making any moves towards UEFA decision. The thing is you're missing the point which most people are trying to show. Before UEFA decision Legia numerous times tried contacting your club to get a statement how they see the whole case and were treated like a "cheap whore" who doesn't deserve a simple answer by your club. If they had answered "We are very sorry about whole situation but we decide to comply with UEFA rules and accept whatever decision they will make." or anything at all most of the people would not say a bad word about celtic. Instead they pretended they are "unavailable" which is highly unlikely. Even after the verdict they would not answer to any attempts of communication. That's why people regard celtic as a club with no honour and decency, not because they accepted the gift but because of the way they did it.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 151.228***
2014-08-13 14:36

Legia have acted unhonourably in this whole affair - the way your support has attacked Celtic has been shocking
I hope you get pumped in the Europa League and I hope we meet again soon when we will take our revenge
Until the attacks on Celtic I was 100% behind you
UEFA kicked you out not Celtic
You have behaved like little spoilt children
It was entirely your own amateur fault - stop blaiming Celtic - why woukd it be in Celtics interest to speak to Legia ?

 

gość legia.com~Rafalino

IP 153.2.2***
2014-08-13 16:44

Po takim liscie Lesnodarskiego do UEFA to sie zdziwie jak nam jeszcze wiekszej kary nie dowala.... czy ten czlowiek mysli?

 

gość legia.com~Steve

IP 194.32.***
2014-08-13 17:31

Powodzenia odwołania Legia.

Myślę, że szkockich kibiców - oprócz Celticu - zgadza powinno być w następnej rundzie.

Dlaczego chcesz, aby zarejestrować odtwarzacz (wobec irlandzkiego zespołu), który nie może grać? Wydaje się głupi do mnie.

#letfootballwin

 

gość legia.com~kenny (cel

IP 176.24.***
2014-08-13 18:38

As much as we sympathize with our legia counter parts who were by far the better side over two legs. How can a club like your self make such a stupid mistake, im pretty sure if it was other way round yous would not give up the champions league spot the matter of fact being its YOUR FAULT and no one elses yous fielded the player and yous didnt follow procedure so to be fair by all rights and rules breaks yous lose the leg 3-0 there for going out on away goals rule.

SO TO CLARIFY LEGIA BROKE RULES CELTIC NEVER.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 94.173.***
2014-08-13 20:38

Take your Punishment, If Uefa decide different then we will accept the Europa, The Fault is UEFA's they only have one punishment for this offence. Yes A fine would have been fair but the rules are in black and white. If Celtic were to refuse after Uefa made the decision celtic could have been in Trouble with them, As a Celtic fan I would agree a play off game with the gate money going to charity.

 

gość legia.com~L

IP 83.4.6.***
2014-08-13 21:02

Luboja jest podobno bez klubu bierzcie go jest świetny

 

gość legia.com~celtic_fan

IP 90.208.***
2014-08-13 21:12

to Maro
everyone knows you make "no comment" whilst there is an on going investigation.
but didn't you see the managers press conference...
"sympathise, up to uefa" - the day after the reinstatement
perhaps you are just taking Legias side as you don't like celtic?
easy to knock celtic - by we've done nowt wrong.
Legia broke the rules, forfeit the game - the scoreline dictated who went through
end of

 

gość legia.com~komar

IP 164.126***
2014-08-13 21:45

za glupote sie placi..debile..

 

gość legia.com~Thekristo

IP 80.238.***
2014-08-13 22:15

Skąd tu tylu gości piszących po angielsku?

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 86.155.***
2014-08-13 23:00

He who is without sin cast the first stone #state aid

 

gość legia.com~Deeks67

IP 194.151***
2014-08-14 14:14

The ONLY party to blame here is Legia Warsaw , not Celtic , not UEFA !!! Conduct your business properly and you wont have any issues !!!!!

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 151.193***
2014-08-14 15:31

So much for Platini's promise to make the players more important than the administrators.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 88.236.***
2014-08-14 17:01

I am sorry for Legia. The punishment is unfair and it would have been a sporting gesture for Celtic to publicly say so. It is clear that an administrative error did not materially affect the outcome and UEFA must take that into consideration in its punishment.

 

gość legia.com~Maro

IP 87.204.***
2014-08-14 21:17

@celtic_fan
If they didn't make any statement only before the verdict you could argue that its the well known rule not to comment on ongoing investigation. The fact is they didn't make any statement after the verdict either. True, they didn't have to say anything or speak with Legia because it was UEFA rules and Legia clerks who made the whole mess but I'd expect any decent and honourable club to have balls and communicate their decision or point of view on the matter to opponent.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 188.155***
2014-08-15 06:40

#THEGHIRLS

 

gość legia.com~Gabro

IP 89.75.8***
2014-08-15 07:42

CAS will decide if punishment was proportionate.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 82.40.2***
2014-08-15 16:19

Sporting integrity....don't make me laugh. Is that the same sporting integrity that Legia showed in the 1992-93 season when they were stripped of the title for match fixing?

Initially, I had sympathy with Legia's predicament but not now. A UEFA observer spotted the contravention of the rules and reported it, not Celtic. Yet I'm still waiting to hear UEFA being attacked with the same level of vitriol and invective that has been directed at Celtic by Legia. Has the Legia management lost their balls or would it be something to do with UEFA being able to sanction them further for bringing the game into disepute?

 

gość legia.com~Get better

IP 38.99.3***
2014-08-15 20:43

Don't be angry at Celtic. Don't be angry at Bartosz (the kid even had the sense to ask the question).

Be angry at the Legia lawyers and at UEFA. (assuming someone is not getting $$$ so that this is a "real" controversy - with football you never know).

How else to explain the Legia lawyers' complete inability to look at the rules and note that the rule themselves are so hooreeendoooousssssly written??? (forget the decision to let Bartosz on the pitch, that's a separate story - watch for who gets fired or gets "fired" but then lands a cushy job...)

1) You have to SERVE a suspension - but HOW? not defined. Obviously by not participating in a game - but that seems not to be enough... You need to be made eligible.

Not only that but Art 61 states EXPLICITLY that you have to serve your suspension immediately in the same competition - you have no choice (unless no games are left). However, it seems if you roll a suspension then you do have a choice b/c now specific competition (in this case Champions League) rules apply. What do those rules say?

There is nothing about serving suspensions in the Champions League rules (probably because the general rules are the place where suspensions are dealt with) except... in the section on "eligibility" there is this stray sentence...

[note that CL rules do say that a suspension be rolled to the IMMEDIATELY next games in the competition (Art 22.03)]

So now by making a player ineligible you in effect are able to defer his service of a suspension - why would one wait? presumably so that you can expand the names on some List B - but can you? List B has no limits and List A has to be submitted by a certain date. Was Legia trying to game this somehow? It does not look like they even approached 25 in any of these games.

So what is the purpose of this sentence/rule? Can someone explain?

And is the purpose to deal with the kind of behaviour that Legia was engaged in? If not, should the rule be even applied? Or is it being applied to a situation that is outside its scope? In other words, is it being applied "woodenly"?

If there is a purpose let's have it out and compare to the facts.

2) After all the attrocious wrtiing of all these rules could Legia get away with this on similarly wooden arguments...

Such as:

A) We know that being in suspension mode has nothing to do with eligibility. You can be suspended but eligible. You can be not suspended but also ineligible. Eligibility is a threshold. Lack of suspension is an overlay.

In normal contracts you would be explicit saying that a heading does not have any contractual meaning. These rules do not say that. So then headings would have meanings. In which case it seems that the sentence on "serving" is, at best, misplaced. At worst, it seems an error.

Should we apply this statutory construction rule "woodenly" too, to get rid of the above sentence?

B) A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.

What does participates in the match mean? Did he participate? Did he touch the ball? Have any of the lawyers looked at that?

C) Moreover, this rule cannot be taken literally. Clearly lots of people were previously suspended but have "served" out their suspension. Again, the drafting is horrendous.

Reading this "woodenly" no one who has ever been suspended can ever play again...

D) We know that referee's decisions stand - they cannot be overturned later absent issues of identity. But it was the referee that let him onto the pitch - it is the referee's decision to let or not a player on the pitch.

should we apply this rule "woodenly" too?

E) Eligibility? We know that you have to be "registered" to be eligible (among other requirements). Nowhere in the document does it say however that there is only one path to registration. Yes, you apparently can register via List A or List B but nothing says that these are exclusive registration mechanisms. That seems to be intended but, again, a "wooden" interpretation would allow Legia to argue that registration did occur some other way and he was otherwise eligible so he served his sentence.

Not only that - he served his sentence plus 86 minutes extra

3) So what is the purpose of the rule about eligibility/serving out the suspension? Is it applicable to Legia?

Furthermore, it strikes me as disingenious to claim that
UEFA is "just following the rules". BS.

The rule supposedly says that fielding a suspended player causes the match to be forfeit ("IS declared forfeit"). But whether the player IS suspended depends on whether he was ELIGIBLE. While there are some rules that define eligibility generally, the ultimate decision is with "the UEFA administration" which "decides on questions of player eligibility." 18.06. This does not say that the UEFA administration decides but its decisionmaking is limited to situations not described in the rules. Or that its decisionmaking cannot touch matters of interpretation.

If UEFA administration really were bound by a wooden reading of the rules, it will declare every match forfeit if a player "who has been suspended following a
disciplinary decision participates in the match." In fact, it would not have to "declare" anything either since its hands, goes the logic, are completely bound.

End of story.

Now go back through all the UEFA Champions League competitions (at least going back to where 18.01 read the way it does now) and see who had ever been suspended. Then rework the scores. It should be fun!

And I hope Bartosz will be ok because he seems to be a patsy here.

 

gość legia.com~nick

IP 90.206.***
2014-08-16 12:54

Before the 1st Leg kicked off, the rules were in black and white, the oppossing team shall recieve a 3-0 score should any breach of rules occur. Whats the problem here?

 
 
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